Tuesday, October 19, 2004

10/19/04 T.S Eliot and Woolfe

Class Notes:

For our individual presentations we need to know 1) how our person discusses criticism 2) it needs to be informative 3) be entertaining 4) embody your person 5) make it sublime

*Canon = a number of texts that have been measured and met standards-applied by traditional authors - persists that not everyone is right
* our standards are shaped by culture, peers, society, religion etc...
* we enter into the world with culture, therefore Eliot wants us to absorb tradition when
writing

Eliot/Woolfe

-both are modernists
-Eliot believed that art depersonalizes the artist. This quote is on page 1094
"What happens is a continual surrender of himself as he is at the moment to something which is more valuable. The progress of an artist is a continual self-sacrifice, a continual extinction of personality" Know for quiz!

* We talked about how there was a cult during romanticism and the byronic hero. You can learn more about the Byronic hero at : http://www.umd.umich.edu/casl/hum/eng/classes/434/charweb/CHARACTE.htm

*According to Eliot, poetry is the extinction of personality

*Woolfe believes the work itself is important rather than gender. Check out what she says on page 1029 as Tristen pointed out:
"It is fatal to be a man or woman pure and simple; one must be woman-manly or man-womanly. It is fatal for a woman to lay the least stress on any grievance; to plead even with justice any cause; in any way to speak consciously as a woman".

Here's another passage from Eliot that Dr. Sexson pointed out on page 1094:
"Someone said:" The dead writers are remote from us because we know so much more than they did". Precisely, and they are that which we know".

Why are the metaphysical poets included in the canon? Because T.S. Eliot included them

Here's another quote from Eliot on page 1097 that may be important to remember!
" Poetry is not a turning loose of emotion, but an escape fro emotion; it is not the expression of personality, but an escape from personality. But, of course, only those who have personality and emotions know what it means to want to escape from these things".

Reflection:
I was wondering if Wallace Stevens would agree with T.S. Eliot's idea of not being able to write unless you know the tradition of poetry? The reason I ask this is because if you take other poetry into consideration, are you the only creator of that work, or do the poets through history help create it for you such as Eliot's Wasteland ? Check out the wasteland at: http://www.bartleby.com/201/1.html

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